Tuesday TV Talk

I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving full of turkey, pie and lots of tv watching time.

I was forced to spend most of my weekend watching football, which I hate.

Anyways, there was one major tv event that cannot go unmentioned, the return of Gilmore Girls. I know some people discussed it in yesterday’s post, but for those who missed that or have new thoughts, feel free to discuss below! Or if you watched other tv shows, talk about those too!

 

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  1. GILMORE TALK! Okay, I’m about to complain a lot, since complaining is more fun, so I should preface by saying that I did enjoy the revival overall and still hope we might get more. There was a lot I loved about it (the wedding, SOOKIE whom I didn’t think we were going to get to see at all, Michel and Paris being perfect, Jess and Dean being surprisingly tolerable, EMILY GILMORE TERRIFYING CHILDREN IN A WHALING MUSEUM) and I totally cried, like, three times. HOWEVER.

    -Stars Hollow: The Musical went on forever and should never had happened in the first place.
    -Other things that should not have happened: Paul, the gross and awful fat jokes, LANE GETTING NO STORY AT ALL (though the split-second recognition of her dad make me laugh a lot), the whole celebrity chef thing, how generally clueless this show has always been about class and race, the writers insisting on making Lorelai act in a way that no human being with the tiniest shred of emotional intelligence would act just so they can get to the juicy fight scene they wanted to write, and the other character’s insistence that Rory is still the Specialist Snowflake despite her decade-long streak of being terrible. And like I said in yesterday’s thread: I actually think Rory is a well-written character in a lot of ways. She’s totally believable as a former wunderkind who was always treated like a princess and expected everything to just fall into place for her, and instead got stuck in limbo once she actually had to try and navigate the real world. If she were just portrayed in a way that recognized her faults, she could be so interesting and relatable! But instead we still get everyone around her acting like she’s a literal unicorn and it makes her seem even worse.

    • collin0truckasaurus says:

      I totally agree with your assessment of Rory as wunderkind who can’t make it in the real world, and I think she’s fitting that pretty well – cheating with a guy from her past even though it’ll never go anywhere, playing up little things like the blog who wants to hire her even though she really doesn’t have any actual prospects, acting like she’s “above” Stars Hollow even though she keeps going back there because it’s the only place that actually thinks she’s worth anything. But yeah, the problem is that everyone else acts like she’s Elon Musk or Maya Angelou or something. Like the headmaster of Chilton offering her any teaching position in any department at any time? Get real.

      • flanny says:

        Ugg, the fact that the headmaster of Chilton is giving out teaching positions like that makes me despair for the wealthy children of Connecticut.

        • mikaelajm says:

          What about the disdainful way she mentions that offer later on? “UGH, the headmaster says I could go to graduate school and TEACH, how pathetic.” Shut up, Rory, you are the actual Worst.

      • old man fatima says:

        I’m 100% sure that the headmaster offering her a job is only so that we can get GG the next generation going once she’s back in Star’s Hollow with her wookie baby.

    • martinmegz says:

      I will co-sign all of this! It was enjoyable to watch but the next day when I started thinking about it I realized there is a lot to complain about.

    • flanny says:

      True confession: I fucking LOVED the musical. While it was happening, I was thinking, “I shouldn’t be liking this.” But I did!!! I was truly the guy who was sitting next to Lorelai. (Can someone find me a gif of that man clapping?)

    • welcometocostcoiloveyou says:

      The musical was awful. And that time would have been better spent on more time with Lane or Paris or maybe even Jess.

      SPOILERS

      Rory is such a mess in terms of relationships. Poor Paul – she is cheating on him with Logan and sleeps with a random in New York. The fact that she tries to spend more time with Logan AFTER she finds out he’s engaged? UGH. It all plays into how entitled she is. Doesn’t matter that Dean is married back in season 4 or 5, doesn’t matter that Logan’s engaged. Come on, girl. Just stop. Jess is too good for her, but that longing stare through the window means he still sees her through rose tinted glasses.

      Also HATED the Life and Death Brigade montage. Ridiculous and a waste of time.

    • catweazle says:

      Ok I finally finished it and I also have many thoughts!

      -Agreed on Stars Hollow: The Musical especially since Sophie would NEVER enjoy it! She’s the cranky music store owner! She would have hated it more than Lorelai! Although I did enjoy seeing Sutton Foster and it made me miss Bunheads (see also Sandee Says and the Wild hikers).
      -Speaking of the Wild hikers LORELAI WOULD NEVER! Like I get her needing to go on a journey but a) Lorelai would not make that journey in nature and, b) Lorelai is not lame enough to jump on an Oprah Book Club bandwagon all T all shade to the other hiker characters.
      -WHY WAS LOGAN IN IT SO MUCH????? Basically the only good thing season 7 did was have Rory finally break up with that gaslighting fuckface and now we have to deal with them being in a stupid relationship again but this time with Rory being the bigger asshole somehow? I guess the Palladinos were really set on ending the series with Rory carrying Logan’s child so they had to shoehorn him back into her life but GIVE ME A BREAK HE IS THE SECOND WORST AFTER DEAN!
      -Speaking of Dean, that whole speech Rory gave about how he was the best boyfriend ever??? VOM FOR DAYS! GO BACK TO YOUR POOR WIFE AND ASSHOLE CHILDREN DEAN.
      -Jess is definitely too good for Rory but I still want them to be together. They can raise Logan’s child together in Philadelphia!
      -The celebrity chef thing was incredibly dumb. Like I get that Melissa McCarthy is too famous now to have been in every episode and it’s important to show that Lorelai’s friends are disappearing but a) How the fuck is the inn making any money when they don’t have food 90% of the time and b) No celebrity chef would agree to work at a tiny bed and breakfast in ass-nowhere Connecticut and it really took me out of the show.
      -Not enough Lane and Paris. Remove all of the Logan and give that screen time to Lane and Paris and this would have been 100% better.
      -Speaking of Paris, her job was bullshit. Paris is a surgeon somewhere, or a judge. Or both! It was nice in that it gave her more screen time but she also didn’t end up having a plot arc at all. Like, am I just high or is the last we saw of her that scene where she watches Hep Alien practice? Give some resolution to her missing Doyle! Let her move out of that ridiculous house! Let her and Rory get married for fucks sake!
      -The less said about the Life and Death Brigade the better.
      -Poor April.
      -Kirk’s movie in the original series was funny and they totally failed to re-capture that magic with his stupid-ass pig movie. Kirk’s first movie was funny because it was super weird and pretentious and featured Kirk dancing. We were supposed to like Kirk’s second movie because it was shittily made and featured his pet pig? Speaking of the pig, what a pointless addition to the show. That pig got more screen time than Lane and that’s just not right.
      -I am really bothered by the fact that apparently Lane and Zack still live in the same tiny apartment with their children and possibly also Brian?
      -Headmaster Charleston would never offer Rory a teaching job after what happened when she hosted a Chilton student in her dorm at Yale for a weekend.
      -I actually appreciated what Lorelai said at storytelling hour at Richard’s funeral. Richard was a massive asshole and treated Lorelai like garbage for most of her life and I do not even remotely believe that story about him taking her to the movies when she was 13. Just because he’s dead now doesn’t erase all the shitty things he did. Lorelai is allowed to have complicated feelings about him! This may have hit too close to home for me tbh.
      -I can’t decide whether to be happy that Emily finally found a maid she likes or to be offended by the fact that the whole Berta situation was pretty racist.
      -I am very glad that they gave Michel a husband and also glad that they didn’t make Taylor gay because I believe in my heart that Taylor is asexual.
      -Not enough Babette and Miss Patty.

      • welcometocostcoiloveyou says:

        Thank you for reminding me about April. I know a lot of people hated that storyline in the show. I didn’t really – even though it was silly. So, Luke, you just got done telling Lorelei that you don’t want to have more kids because you have Rory, and Jess, and April, but two of those people aren’t at YOUR WEDDING? Your own child doesn’t get to see your wedding, but Michele and Lane are there?

        Also, “Dean, look. It’s cornstarch!” Shut up, Rory.

      • old man fatima says:

        I really didn’t get the whole “gag” about Berta’s language. She had a funny voice but she was definitely speaking Spanish?? I understood every word she said. If they’re going to make nobody knowing what language she’s speaking a plot point, can they not be so lazy about it?

        Re: Lorelei’s story at her dad’s funeral, it didn’t upset me because she said awful things about what I assume is an awful person (just going on the fact that everyone else in the family is awful), it upset me because she made a huge scene and tried to turn her father’s funeral into a Lorelei pity party. My father is a pile of human garbage and if for some unknown reason I were at his funeral (nope) and was asked to tell a story about him (nope) I would think of something vague and noncommittal to say because this day is not about me.

        • catweazle says:

          Well yeah, in real life that would be terrible but in the world of Gilmore Girls it’s in character for her and also things are more dramatic on TV so I didn’t hate it. I thought Emily should have known better than to press when Lorelai clearly didn’t want to say anything.

      • mikaelajm says:

        I could not agree with you more about Paris. That is NOT Paris’s career, sorry. They did a couple of things to sell us on it (the incredibly detailed presentation, the reference to her also having a J.D. and various degrees, whatever) but nope. They clearly only did that to service the Lorelai/Luke storyline that (SPOILER) WENT NOWHERE. wtf.

      • mikaelajm says:

        I loved this set of Hot Takes on the revival: https://theringer.com/amp/p/3d5f383d9a69

    • collin0truckasaurus says:

      Also, I may just be nitpicking here, but Lorelai’s outfits were very strange to me. I just don’t think she EVER dressed like that before. She has a baby pink leather purse, for crying out loud!

    • I’m only through episode two so far but I do feel like some of the magic is gone. I really hated that Lorelai and Luke never had kids because they forgot to talk about it? What? Both of them said multiple times in the early episodes how they wanted to have more kids so the idea that they never did is just really dumb to me. I am also confused about how Rory is unemployed and struggling but able to afford constant back and forth flights from London to Connecticut.

      I like that Rory is struggling with her career, even if it is a little too real for some people (me. It’s too real for me) so I’m interested to see what happens with that in the next two episodes, even though I am sure she’s going to do something brilliant and get some sort of crazy editor job at the New York Times or something equally as unbelievable.

      • Erika says:

        The writers easily could have made it that they tried and failed to get pregnant. At their age (especially Lorelai’s, to be blunt) a successful pregnancy is in no way guaranteed.

    • Erika says:

      I have to admit, when Paul first appears in the episode, I immediately thought, “ugh, boring”, so it was sort of amusing to me where they immediately went with that. It would be nice though, if after 15 years of crappy relationships, maybe Rory had started to figure shit out. Don’t pull a Lorelai and marry your babydaddy at 40 when you damn well know you want to be with someone else.

  2. collin0truckasaurus says:

    I’m only two-thirds of the way through the 2nd episode but my favorite moment so far was that even Rachel Ray hates Lorelai!

    Also, Rory is a cheater and what does anyone even seen in her (romantically or business-ly)????

    • Rewatching the series as a grown-up instead of a teenager, I found myself really not liking Jess as much and liking Logan way more. I think he gets unfairly painted as a douchebag despite not doing that much douchey stuff and Jess was a truly terrible boyfriend who treated Rory pretty terribly.

      All that being said, Dean is and remains the worst.

      • mikaelajm says:

        I agree with you re: Logan/Jess. At least we can all unite over Dean!

      • collin0truckasaurus says:

        Yeah I watched the series the first time as a grown-up (ha!) and hated all three for different reasons. Dean is of course the worst, but Jess is pretty terrible to her (which is pretty much just standard teenage boy shit so I’m interested to see how he “grows up” even though he was the exact type of pseudo-intellectual douche I would have pined over as a teenage girl…). Finally, I hated Logan for being the classist asshole who would never treat her well, but now I see that they’re equally classist and terrible and totally deserve each other. I can just see when they’re both in their late 40s with a couple kids and miserable and cheating on each other and drinking rather than talking and staying in separate parts of their giant house.

  3. welcometocostcoiloveyou says:

    Last week’s episode of Rectify was fantastic. Only 3 episodes left, and I can’t wait to see how it all plays out. The whole cast is great, but Clayne Crawford is just knocking it out of the park this season.

    Insecure wrapped up the first season over the weekend. A very solid show, and I look forward to season 2.

  4. martinmegz says:

    I can’t remember which of Rory’s boyfriends we love and which ones we hate but they all seemed nice in the revival. At first I thought, oh, Logan is so great, but then I realized I was just reacting to Matt Czuchry, whom I love from the Good Wife. I hate when cheating is portrayed as something acceptable, and I can’t root for two people who are as selfish as Rory and Logan. Like, break up with your other people if you want to be together. Jerks. And Paul made such an effort to connect with Rory’s family and they just blank him. Jerks.

    • old man fatima says:

      I was so upset by the way everyone treated Paul. He seemed like a really nice guy! And I didn’t feel like we were supposed to be repulsed by their behaviour, we were supposed to be in on the “joke,” like lololololol this man’s life is a punchline

    • It’s a true testament to Matt Czuchry’s acting that there were times when I didn’t want to punch Logan in the face. He’s very charming!

    • Erika says:

      I don’t know if there’s a romantic trope I hate more than two people who want to be together, so they cheat rather than break up and actually, you know, be together. Set in the right era (before divorce was available to anyone who isn’t royalty), it can be tragically romantic, but in the modern era it’s just stupid and boring.

  5. flanny says:

    HOLD THE PHONE!!!! DID ANYONE WATCH ANNE OF GREEN GABLES?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    • old man fatima says:

      I’VE BEEN TOO BUSY PACKING AND NOT HAVING THE INTERNET DID YOU SEE IT??? IS IT ANY GOOD, WILL I LOVE IT SO MUCH???

      • flanny says:

        IT WAS FINE!!! BETTER THAN I EXPECTED!!! BUT THERE IS NO ONE MORE MARILLA THAN COLLEEN DEWHURST, SORRY! IT ALSO FELT LIKE EACH SCENE WAS ONLY ABOUT 10 SECONDS LONG SO IT WAS HARD FOR THERE TO BE TOO MUCH DRAMA! LIKE MRS. BARRY WAS MAD AT ANNE FOR GETTING DIANA DRUNK FOR ABOUT .5 SECONDS BEFORE ANNE SAVED MANNIE MAY’S LIFE, WHICH ALSO ONLY TOOK .5 SECONDS!!!

  6. Does anyone else watch Eyewitness? I like it but I feel like I like it despite everything about it, not because of it. The writing is pretty iffy and the look is so desaturated it looks like you are watching from the other side of an aquarium tank. That being said, I have a lot of thoughts and feelings about it.

  7. welcometocostcoiloveyou says:

    I just saw on Facebook that America’s Next Top Model is coming back! It’s on VH1 in December.

  8. hotspur says:

    Last night I finally watched episode 1 of Lady Dynamite. I liked it, but at points I felt a little bit assaulted by it, like it was trying too hard to be the things it was being. It was made by some of the same people behind Arrested Development, but lacked the grace of that show? It was like AD minus Ron Howard and Jason Bateman, maybe, in tone. But I did enjoy it overall, and plan to try a few more episodes to see whether I adjust to it or it evens out when it finds its sea legs.

    • nastyemu says:

      I thought the season got much better as it went, although I still haven’t finished it yet. At the very least you should watch the first few minutes of episode 2 for the noodle commercial.

  9. Commentatrix says:

    So basically this whole thread was Gilmore dominated, that’s cool! I’ll have to swing back by in 3 weeks’ time to read all the comments because I decided to wait until I can watch it with my one other local friend who cares about this show (if you can believe it).

    I also want to say that I super dig the new Lady Mary show on TNT!

  10. Sota says:

    I had to skip everyone of the comments above because I ain’t done with Gilmore Girls yet! In a surprising turn of events I ended up binge watching Stranger Things this weekend with the boyfriend and his dad & stepmom. We did watch one episode of Gilmore girls but that was it. I will have to revisit it soon, cause I wanna know how it goes. I hope someone will be willing to discuss it with me whenever I finally get around to watching it. As you can see I am terrible at hopping on the “topical show of the moment” train….aka Stranger Things just got watched. That said…loved ST. It was wierd and creepy and also fun and charming 80s movie stuff. Very fun.

    • welcometocostcoiloveyou says:

      I’m sure we’ll all be happy to discuss Gilmore Girls with you and Commentatrix when you guys are done.

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